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I guess what I'm saying is, that for every successful managerial change, there's an equally disastrous one. Mangers aren't magicians, and sometimes it can take a season or two (3 and a half in SAF's instance) to build a side that wins trophies. He finished 11th in two seasons in the late '80s. He'd be a gonner if he was at Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, City and maybe some other if that happened now.

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I sometimes look at decisions managers make and don't understand them, but think that they, with all their experience of the professional game, have probably seen something I've missed and that there is sound thinking behind their decisions. The more I've seen of Spurs under AVB, the more I've become convinced that it's not me, for once, who is wrong; he really was making stupid decision after stupid decision and was too proud and stubborn to admit his ideas weren't working, especially in instances when a lot of people were voicing the contrary view.

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Depends on your idea of "longevity". Some managers get the boot after a few games or half a season. They should be given two seasons to make an impact - a lot might need changing to get the club playing the way the manager wants, and that can't happen overnight. Sacking someone after a couple of seasons of not doing well is fair enough, but after half a season it's just a foolish, knee-jerk reaction. There were calls for Wenger's head last season after they had an appalling start. Looks like the fans have changed their tune now! He sorted out his "bad run of form", got CL football again and is now top of the league!

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He won't get anything like three and a half seasons. If United don't win anything for two seasons he's out. If United finish outside of top three for two seasons he's out.

You may mock City, Chelsea and Spurs for their hiring and firing policies but you were spoilt with Ferguson and those days are over. The Americans will not tolerate consistent failure. This is United, one of the biggest three clubs in the world and you can guarantee shirt sales in the Far East, America, etc will plummet if United don't win pots and sadly these things matter (this is not a dig at United it's just a fact of footy in 2013)

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That's exactly what I said! Two seasons! If we're not looking like proper challengers and picking up cups then he'll be gone. But getting rid of managers after half a season is just stupid - it's one of the things wrong with the game nowadays, just like the ridiculous wages and transfer fees. I'd like to see more common sense in the whole lot of it - including giving managers time.

City and Chelsea sack managers even when they DO win things! Mancini shouldn't have gone, nor should Ancelotti, Di Matteo or even Grant. The problem is that a lot of these foreign investors (including the Glazers) know little about football and just think that throwing a load of money at a club will mean they win everything in their first season. I hope Utd take the lead in putting a stop to this.

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I don't have enough time to comment on Chelsea managers as they usually have two a season but I disagree about Mancini. With him it wasn't just about not winning anything last season, it seemed as much about about his personality. None of the players seemed to like him, nor people working for the club in other roles, both senior and junior. I think he just has a somewhat abrasive personality, which revealed itself once the pressure kicked in. I like what I've seen of Pele Greenie and the footy has been superb to watch, even in many of the defeats. Let's see what happens with him.

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That is the only problem to giving managers time - if the players don't warm to the manager or lose trust in him then that'll transfer to the pitch. It's what I was saying about having the support of the dressing room. If you lose that and can't win it back then the club probably is better off making a change, a change that will unfortunately be likely to cost them millions in a payout. So long as the players believe in the manager then he should remain for a decent period of time. Maybe that wasn't the case with Mancini - you'll know more about that than me. I've heard a lot of Spurs fans saying they'd rather Levy was the one who went instead of both 'arry and AVB.

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Hmm, this is all very interesting but I just don't understand why they got rid of AVB *smirk*
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Slightly embarrassing that Forest didn't get 10, given that West Ham appeared to be fielding a team of randomly chosen season-ticket holders. Still, a win's a win.

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Just put a £10 bet on the mighty Swans to win the FA Cup!

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