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| Author: | Mrs Ray Flicker [ Wed May 12, 2010 2:35 pm ] |
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| Author: | Johnny Anarchy [ Thu May 13, 2010 12:55 am ] |
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Interesting question. On a fast google I found these candidates: In their 1992 book, WHAT WAS THE FIRST ROCK AND ROLL RECORD?, Jim Dawson and Steve Propes attribute that distinction to Jack McVea's late-1946 release, "Open The Door, Richard!" From the 1978 book COUNTRY: THE BIGGEST MUSIC IN AMERICA by Nick Tosches: On Sept 6, 1929 [Luis] Russell recorded "The New Call Of The Freaks". The record ended with a fade-out effect, the world's first.“ No idea why the practice started but it's been around for a while... |
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| Author: | Bovine Juice [ Thu May 13, 2010 8:14 am ] |
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I'd guess two reasons for the latter. One... making a long record shorter without an abrupt end. Two... don't know how to end it so rather like the "waking up to find it was all a dream" ending of every essay I ever wrote at school, it's an easy get out. |
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| Author: | Thee SPC [ Thu May 13, 2010 8:43 am ] |
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I think fade outs are just an excuse for bad songwriting. On the other hand there's always exceptions that work very well, especially if the song ends on a repeated coda, a good example being Ticket To Ride by The Beatles. I'm currently working on a song with a fade-in. |
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| Author: | Mrs Ray Flicker [ Thu May 13, 2010 11:36 am ] |
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My own research (ie, looking it up on wikipedia) suggests it predates the existence of recording! One of Holst's planet suites ends with a choir quietly singing in an adjoining room while someone slowly closes the door to the room, causing a natural fade out. Apparently this caused a sensation when it was first performed. On recordings, it seems to go back to the very beginning - often because the piece of music was longer than they could fit on the recording, so they'd fade out at the end of side one and fade it back up at the start of side two. So chances are the practice began for purely practical reasons. But I'd like to know when people started fading not because they had to but because they thought it was better. It can be a sign of laziness, I suppose, but as someone who's recorded hundreds of songs over the years all I can say is that some songs cry out for a fade while with others a formal ending seems more appropriate. Take "Hey Jude" (which I wrote a few years back). It would be simply wrong for it NOT to fade out. That huge chant at the end needs to sound like it goes on forever. But a song like "Here, There and Everywhere" clearly needs a "proper" ending. Then there're songs like "A Hard Day's Night" which provide a cunning, sophisticated fade: the band give a strong, closed end on the phrase "I feel alright" but just as they do that Harrison starts up a slightly trippy, repetitive arpeggio which continues on its own and then fades. That was in 1964 - any earlier examples of such a carefully constructed and pre-planned fade? If I was trying to draw up rules about when to fade and when not to (and God knows I am), I'd be tempted to say that the more repetitive the music, the more natural it is to fade. The exception to that, though, is electronic music. The Chemical Brothers, Leftfield, etc almost always provide definite endings to their music despite the fact that repetition is its very life-blood. On the other hand, you could argue that their songs provide a sort of "faux-fade" by petering out in a blizzard of strange noises/sound effects. Hmmm. Not sure. |
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| Author: | Thee SPC [ Thu May 13, 2010 11:42 am ] |
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| Author: | Mrs Ray Flicker [ Thu May 13, 2010 11:55 am ] |
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| Author: | Mrs Ray Flicker [ Thu May 13, 2010 12:24 pm ] |
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| Author: | Thee SPC [ Thu May 13, 2010 12:49 pm ] |
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| Author: | Mrs Ray Flicker [ Fri May 14, 2010 2:16 pm ] |
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