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Swansea tonight, everything but the goal. Still it's gonna be tough to nick a win away....

We're playing loads better under Monk.

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Congrats to City on last night's result, and congrats to Liverpool for putting together a hugely impressive league campaign thus far. It's gonna be very interesting to see how Chelsea and City do at Anfield.

Obviously there's a large anti-Utd contingent on here, so I welcome the inevitable "keep Moyes" banter...

But returning to the debate we had earlier in the season, and trying to remain objective (even if you hate/love Utd), how long should the Man Utd board let this go on for? What do people think is going on behind closed doors? And lets be honest - this is fascinating, isn't it?

I remember the last time it was discussed, Kev (United fan) and Westie (Liverpool) said they believed Moyes should've been given more time, whereas me (Utd) and Bovey (City) leant toward his performance being unacceptable AT THAT POINT. Obviously at this point he's taken the club to the point of freefall and there's no denying/glossing over the crisis.

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I blame the players more than Moyes. The same guys who won the league by 11 points last year have been hit and miss all season - but admittedly the league is tougher this season. They're still not playing well. It's not tactical and there don't seem to have been any fallings out. Both RVP and Giggs have been quick to quash any rumours.

Things haven't been helped by injuries to Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Jones, Carrick, Fellaini, Nani, RVP and Rooney amongst others - so keeping a settled team has been difficult. Also, United have conceded more goals than any other team in the last ten minutes of the game. So there is an element of bad luck without a doubt.

It's like people say (Warnock bangs on about it until he's blue in the face!) - when your luck's down then things don't go your way. I don't think United have had the rub of the green at all this season (and things like conceding 3 pens v Liverpool doesn't help). Saying that - Moyes has had an awful lot of bad luck, but on balance, over the past 20 years United have had plenty of lucky breaks, late goals and so on. So no complaints here. What goes around...

I still think Moyes should stay. I think he should be allowed to build a team and see what happens next season when the dust has settled and moves to and from have been made. This season has been a mess. We're left with, at very best, an outside chance of a European spot, although that's unlikely. Personally I'd rather we didn't get Europa league. My head says that even if my heart doesn't, because I think it'll give us a better chance of getting top 4 next season. If we fail to do that, then it's time to look at a change at the top. But give Moyes next season.

Plus we'll easily brush aside Bayern and end up winning the Champion's League, right? So it'll be a good season after all

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Some sense spoken there, lads and I'll agree injury-wise you've had rotten luck (especially with RVP and the number of centre backs out). However, on the pitch I think you've probably had no more bad luck than anyone. Conceding late goals isn't about luck it's about players switching off or no longer believing that they can hold onto what they've got - something that never happened under the purple nosed fella. You're also chasing games too often and as shown last night that can often end up with getting caught on the break.

Clearly Moyes was the wrong man for the job but I'm not sure there's much point sacking him with so few games left. The two massive signings though were both terribly wrong.

Felaini cost more than Toure but is terrible. He adds little, beyond a strong chance of ending up with ten men (and he should have been off last night, clearly) and in an age where even full backs need to be able control throat height passed balls and drop 40 yard passes on a six pence, you don't want a huge lump who can neither control nor pass the ball in the centre of your midfield! He is not United class. He makes Nolan look like Messi.

Mata is a terrific player but he wasn't what you needed. A natural number 10 playing behind a striker, he needs to play where Rooney is. Clearly you don't drop the player who you're paying £300k a week to so you end up putting Mata somewhere else, where he's wasted or his lack of pace is exposed. A decent centre back, left back and defensive midfielder could all have been bought for the cost of Mata.

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All sound points from Bovey. Got to say though Kev, I respect your opinion but I completely disagree about tactics having nothing to do with United's collapse this season. Or with any team's collapse throughout history.

Tactics have everything to do with results and quality of performances (look at City this season vs last, look at Liverpool under Kenny and then under Brendan), and Moyes, tactically, has been absolutely shocking.

I'm astounded that anyone who's watched 5 or more United games since Moyes took over could find a single reason why persevering with him seems worthwhile - he's literally brought nothing.

I can understand the integrity that the club want to put across for whatever reason, but in all reality, they must be thinking very, very hard about what the sensible thing to do is.

He's had/will get a whole season, been allowed to break the club transfer record and I think, at present, he's looking like one of the worst big club appointments of all time.

That said, his press conferences are funny to watch and I do feel sorry for him.

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People said much the same the season that Fergie finished 11th (after finishing second the year before!).

I'm not going to add much more because I generally hate football discussions anyway. I've said what I think. He might turn out to be an awful appointment if next season is no better and I'll be proved wrong. We'll have to wait and see. The fact is that players that can play much better have been distinctly average, and I see that as the reason why we'll finish somewhere between 5th and 7th.

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I was alarmed when I saw us chin United at OT, and also when City did you on Tuesday. It's just WEIRD how poor United look. Even weirder because it's not as if they're playing like Moyes's Everton used to play. They were robust, strong and a very tactically robust (if a bit ugly) outfit. United are showing none of these qualities. Why? I've got no idea.

Moyes's ideas clearly aren't working at the moment. Will they in time? Who knows. Spending £40m on Mata and playing him on the wing is a sackable offence on its own.

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The thing is... no-one is denying Moyes is a decent manager. He's very highly thought of in managerial circles for the job he did at Everton. At rightfully so. Getting that Everton side into the Champions League that time was one of the great managerial achievements of our age. And Ferguson knows this. Say what you like about the drink-sodden gum chewer but his judgement is very rarely wrong. So there's no reason to think that he's a bad gaffer just because of his career trajectory so far.

But... there's been no evidence so far that he's able to adapt his style, adapt his tactics and just grow into this specific role and the responsibility. Something just isn't working. Sometimes it just doesn't. I mean look at Hodgson at Liverpool. It just didn't work. For a variety of reasons. None of them were because he's an inherently useless manager - just because the club and the context weren't a neat fit. Sometimes that's all there is to it. Managerial failure is often the result of several factors. And there's also stuff behind the scenes and on the pitch contributing to his downfall. Some of the performances I've seen from your players this season have been an insult to the club (particularly in defence). Moyes should shoulder some of the can there but not all of it.

One of the saddest sights I've seen all season was Moyes celebrating like an absolute madman when you went 2-1 up against Fulham. Seeing the manager of Manchester United go THAT mental when squeaking ahead against the team at the bottom of the league was genuinely heartbreaking.

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Thing is, if the defence was well drilled, Moyes would get plaudits. The buck stops with the manager in my opinion.

What Brendan Rodgers is doing with (more or less) the same set of players that the racist apologist-King Kenny had is credit to Rodgers. He's a tactically astute, progressive manager who deserves the shot he got a bigger club. Same with Pellegrini and City, same with Martinez and Everton...

Martinez who seems to be lining up a serious bid for equalling "one of the great managerial achievements of our age" (nicely done, Westie) by getting Everton into the CL.

Meanwhile, Moyes celebrates winning the crosses against Fulham...



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Aye, can't fault Rodgers at all this season. When he got the gig I thought he was a tubby chancer who'd be found out eventually but he's proven me absolutely bang wrong. Every mistake he's made this season, he's learnt from it. When we went to the Emirates in November, we got a pasting. Totally overrun in midfield. When Arsenal came to Anfield, he set the team up completely differently and battered them off the park in the first 20 minutes. Plenty of other instances too. Absolutely cannot wait for Chelsea and City to come to Anfield. It is absolutely not hyperbole to say we can take 6 points off them. I don't think we will, of course, but it's far from implausible. Pumped.

Well Martinez is benefitting from a bit more cash and some season long loan agreements which Moyes didn't have access to 10 years ago but, sure, he's doing a bang up job himself this year. Next year will be a bigger test but I think he'll rise to it. Lot of time for that man.

Haha. What a GIF.

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Yeah Rodgers is the real deal no doubt, I think what's great about him is that as a manager he's a mix of new school and old(ish) school in his approach and how he sets the team up - high pressing, fluid 'through the gears' passing yet plays with two strikers and is direct and penetrative. He's a fantastic manager. And a likeable character I think (though I dunno if that is general consensus or just me).

Martinez would succeed at a bigger club in my opinion. I think he's destined for the big stages of football. Same with Pochettino. The latter, I have a sneaking feeling would be worth an outside punt as next Utd manager, should Moyes be put out of his misery.

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